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Ealing Gardens Watchtower

I gather that you lit your watchtower with the Contrarian's Lantern; could you double check what level your quality is? I just got Ealing Gardens Watchtower 5 for using the Boatman's Lantern.
Optimatum (talk) 17:37, July 22, 2020 (UTC)

Nope, and I must have been mistaken. I just added the Scarab option which sets the Watchtower to 3, so the Lantern is most likely 4.
Tfftff (talk) 15:12, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Editing Trip

Hello! Just wanted to say how funky it was documenting the new Watchful Gains story! We seem to have been doing it at the same time, which is quite the experience! Trying to think a few pages ahead of the other to not waste time trimming the same text and the like! The amount of times I've seen "Conflicting Edit with TFF, 15 seconds ago"! And the story itself was truly a journey as well! Good times! CarrONoir (talk) 20:06, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for this! I found the path we both picked quite satisfying too. And yeah, I guess we don't really see how many edit conflicts others stumble into. There were more than a few today on my end. I often pick pages in a way to minimize them if I notice someone else editing the same area as me. TFF (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Fate-locked Reward Information

I brought this up on the wiki discord a while back, but I also wanted to hear from people who don't frequent it as much.

There's a lot of Fate content, and the way permitted information is recorded on the wiki isn't consistent or clear, so I would like to seek some clarification on that.

1. Other responders were generally in agreement that any items or qualities retained from Fate content should be fine to include on the wiki. However, I'm unsure to what extent quality level descriptions are allowed. Although they're theoretically permitted under the "visible on the mantelpiece" rule, most ES tracker qualities use them extensively, so it's probably fine that we don't spoil people needlessly. On the other hand, pages like Scarlet-Handed list them. Other similar qualities have multiple variations which are spoilerific to varying degrees, which makes me wonder if there should be a cutoff line or if they should be included at all.

2. The number of Exceptional Stories is steadily increasing and so is the number of the relevant reward item sources. If they were accurately represented on the wiki, the more common T6 items would likely have several dozen Fate-locked sources each. At this point they're hardly ever the most convenient source if you're anywhere past PoSI status (when they usually become relevant), which is why perhaps we should only list them if the items lack other non-Fate, non-seasonal sources. On a similar note, I'm unsure to what extent mechanical rewards from Fate-locked branches are to be noted; does every Whispered Hint warrant categorization? TFF (talk) 11:43, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

1. In general, I am against publishing tracker quality descriptions. The one for Scarlet-Handed is fine because it's only one entry .. i.e. if I put this in my scrapbook, you will automatically see it. If you want to keep things consistent, I would remove it. My rule of thumb for this always was: If it's reasonable to be visible on profile pages (not just for a few seconds while playing the story but as a kind of achievement) then it's fine to put it in the wiki. Stars under skin is one of those examples. Otherwise we should rather not add it.

2. Completely agree. We startet this when things like Searing Enigmas were really hard to come by. I'm absolutely fine with removing them from the story pages. Small rewards like whispered hints shouldn't be added at all. It tend to remove these when I notice but some editors keep putting them in. Rahv7 (talk) 13:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

1. Thank you. The rule sounds clear-cut enough to me, so QLDs for achievement qualities would be fine to remain.

2. I guess we should then agree on non-unique items which still warrant listing Fate sources. Fragments of the Tragedy Procedures come to mind. Also wondering if listing all possible T7 sources from season conclusions would be worthwhile, perhaps in a separate guide. TFF (talk) 14:15, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Re: 2: Fragments can be gotten from the House on Hemlock Row. But that's pretty endgame, so you're probably right. Definitely Elements of Dawn. For bonus stories I'm not sure how useful this actually is... it's often not obvious, which decision will give a certain reward. You would want to avoid that someone spends 135 Fate and then gets the "wrong" item. And listing decisions (like, in a detailed guide) would almost certainly violate FBG's policy on fate-locked content. Rahv7 (talk) 15:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I would certainly have to include some guidance to make sure you get the right item, but I would definitely ask FBG first before moving it outside a sandbox. Flute Street (Guide) already exists, so it's not without precedent. TFF (talk) 16:56, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Regarding 2., in the hypothetical future, it might be possible (using Semantic MediaWiki) for the Source list to annotate sources which are FATE-locked (or Festival-locked, etc). I think there's more leeway to include "niche" sources when there's a way to pick out the "regular" sources. I agree with Rhav that the info isn't as valuable as it once was now that there are better sources, but if there's a way to organize the clutter than there isn't much reason to exclude them either.
- PSGarak (talk) 20:43, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Speaking of which, where was that proof of concept for an SMW based "See Category:Aeolian Scream Gain for how to obtain this item, or click here" box? Was it somewhere on one of your sandboxes? @PSGarak -- RagCall (talk) 21:30, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Template is {{Property listing}}, to replace {{Category tree}}. Examples for Glim and Collated Research buried in the sandbox. Examples for annotated listings on the dev wiki at dev:User:PSGarak/Sandbox/Source test (Searing Enigmas sources).

- PSGarak (talk) 02:38, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I think it certainly would be helpful for sources that are single actions. However, the category lists for the relevant T6 items are significantly more incomplete than not. ES also often feature different rewards for different endings, which would require quite a lot of further clarification to be of much use. As for value, they also frequently have repeatable actions that could prove useful to someone who's earlygame enough, but aren't listed anywhere here. My point is that for the items in question in the vast majority of cases there are much easier ways to obtain them and to account for all ES and every situational case in which something might be useful is a lot of work for very little benefit, considering how roundabout we'd have to be. So, in my opinion, in such cases the wiki should only list these sources if the items are otherwise seasonal or require weeks or months to reliably acquire them. TFF (talk) 10:39, 10 January 2022 (UTC)