Persuade Sinning Jenny

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From: Debating Matters of Business with the Board

She protects the unprotected. And has a few other opinions.

Game Instructions: Credit with the Headmistress may affect her views, if you have access to Sinning Jenny's Finishing School.

Unlocked with Board Member: Sinning Jenny

Locked with Sinning Jenny's Vote

Challenge information

Broad, Persuasive 100

• 69 - very chancy (41%)
• 85 - chancy (51%)
• 102 - modest (61%)
• 119 - very modest (71%)
• 135 - low-risk (81%)
• 152 - straightforward (91%)
• 167 - straightforward (100%)
  

Difficulty is probably 100 to start, increased by 20 per point of Board against the University, Board against Labour, Board Against Rubbery Interests, and Board for the Fingerkings, and 40 per point of Board against Urchin Interests.

Success

She is convinced!

[See table below]

Question	Success Description
1 - 3, 7, 9	She hears you out. Then she nods. The route might not entirely satisfy her, but she's one to face the truth as it stands, and not argue about how it ought to be.
4	"If we must," she says. "Only because the alternative is worse, and only if we can provide generously for the protections the workers will need."
5	"Better through the hills than through the grass," she says firmly.
10 - 12, 14 - 24, 26 - 33, 35, 37	"A smaller board is easier to persuade," says Sinning Jenny. "Too many foot-soldiers and everyone is tripping over everyone else."
20	She hears you out. Then she nods.
100	"I suppose it will do," Sinning Jenny says, grudgingly. She evidently thinks the place should be more fortified without and more pleasant within – a difficult set of requirements to meet, especially if you hope to keep to budget.
105, 120, 130, 150 - 170, 300	"It is nothing other than I would expect," says Sinning Jenny. In that tone of voice, it isn't a compliment.
115	"Difficult to storm," says Jenny approvingly. "And room for a cannon here." She taps a corner of the plan. "It won't withstand a full assault, of course. If Hell were really provoked."
140	"I like it," says Sinning Jenny. Several other board members look at her in surprise. "[...] It doesn't have too many gaping windows for monsters to climb in, and it doesn't pretend that it's standing under the open sun. It's an honest building."
181 - 187	"This seems like a reasonable place for a new city," says Jenny. "A new city! How exciting. I hope it succeeds."
205	"More room for weaponry," Jenny observes. "If we had reason to go hunting in the Upper River."
210	"Oh, very well!" Sinning Jenny looks like a child forced to sit for too long in an uncomfortable chair.
220	"It is the least we can do," says Sinning Jenny. "In fact, I would have hoped to do better. But we can begin here."
230	"It is a noble experiment," says Sinning Jenny. "The practicalities of the vote leave much to be worked out, but perhaps it will succeed."
240 - 280	Sinning Jenny gives a concise endorsement to the plan. She slightly sounds as though she expects that to be the end of the matter. Certainly when it comes to many of her projects, she is the sole and final arbiter of how to proceed.
310	"If I have doubts, they are about the execution rather than the intent," says Sinning Jenny. "I have listened to any number of charitable proposals that turned out to be anything but. However, in principle, I am agreed."
320	"If you think running a track over something will increase your scientific understanding of it," says Jenny. "I'm not a scientist myself."
330	"I'll sign," says Jenny. "Such a charter will keep things lively, at all events."
340	"There are churches and churches," […] "I will vote in favour if only because we must have some counterbalance if we march toward Hell. However, I excuse myself […] from any subcommittees on liturgy or pious clubs for the planning of altar-cloths."
400	"It is our financial obligation," agrees Sinning Jenny. "As long as we can in fact afford the expenditure."
500	"I would not recommend it in most cases," says Jenny. "But if anyone in London knows how to do such a thing safely, it is the members of this board."
510	"With the proper equipment, even they can be kept in line," Jenny says. "Without the proper equipment, anything is a risk."
520 - 523, 525 - 529	"Yes," says Jenny. "But we should send no one into that place of weapons unless they have proper shields."
600	"Our Rubbery friend has a perspective that many of us cannot," she says. "If we vote for him, that will be my reason."
610	"The Viscountess is a warrior," says Sinning Jenny. "You should see her in battle. On the other side of the mirror, of course."
620	"F. F. Gebrandt has done a great deal for London already. Some of us rely on her Tincture of Vigour." Someone in the boardroom snickers. "After a fight," says Jenny pointedly.
700	"Why not?" says Jenny. "Hardly anyone lives in the region; there are few inhabitants to mind one way or another."
710	"Yes, give it to September," she says. "It won't do harm, and it might help."
720	"She has spirit," says Jenny, with a wry half-smile.
800, 850	"Very well," says Jenny. "Though I think the Tracklayers really should have the right to choose their own. But I can see it's a difficult situation, with Furnace gone."
905	"I wouldn't dream of standing in the Dean's way!" Jenny insists, smiling across the table. "Perhaps I might get an invitation to the Church when it's all finished? I have a passion for ecclesiastic architecture."
910	"I wouldn't dream of standing in the Bishop's way!" Jenny insists, smiling across the table. "Perhaps I might get an invitation to the Church when it's all finished? I have a passion for ecclesiastic architecture."
931, 933 - 934	She hears you out. Then she nods. "I'm with you on this one."
932	[...] "If it escapes its handlers and needs to be hunted down, call on me. I doubt it will prove difficult to guess which way a tracklaying beast has gone. Though perhaps it won't come to that." She looks as though she rather hopes it does come to that.
940	Jenny nods. "Of course. It sounds like a very worthy cause."
1000 - 1020	[…] "On balance, it sounds more like the custodian of its territory than like a danger to us. And considering how long it has sat on top of Aescwine without hurting anyone, I think we must accept its word about its intentions."
1100, 1110	Sinning Jenny nods, reluctantly. "If this were a vote on whether or not to engage in the War, I would of course vote in the negative. But as it is happening, this seems the fastest way to bring it to a swift conclusion."
1200	Jenny nods. "If it allows us to be of more use to them. And vice versa, of course."

Other Votes	Second paragraph of Success Description
April	April is sitting so that she can see the Board Secretary's notes as the meeting proceeds. As he writes down Sinning Jenny's answer, April nods and meets Jenny's eye.

• Persuasive is increasing…
•  You've lost 1 x Uncommitted Board Members
•  Sinning Jenny has agreed to vote on your side. (Sets Sinning Jenny's Vote to 1 - Sinning Jenny is voting on your side)

Redirects to: Debating Matters of Business with the Board

Failure

Unconvinced

[See table below]

Question	Failure Description
1 - 3, 7	"It would be better to consult the Tracklayers' Union about these decisions," […] "They have the experience; it is their workers who will be at risk. Choosing a line on a map, from the comfort of London, is very likely to end in loss of life."
4	"I would never wish that territory on the labourers," she says. "The grass clings to the skin and it drinks from the body. It withers the flesh and it ages those who walk through."
5	"Imagine if the train ever gets stuck there and the passengers have to climb out," she says. "It could not be done safely." But there's a gleam in her eye as though she personally would rather enjoy a sojourn in the Monkprince Hills.
9	"I would never wish that territory on the labourers," she says. "Who knows how ruined and poisonous the earth is that way?"
10 - 11, 14, 15, 17 - 22, 26 - 27, 29 - 33, 35, 37	"If we are getting rid of board members, that is not where I would begin," […] this format of power by argument doesn't agree with her. On one occasion she even brought a harpoon […] claimed it was for an appointment she had immediately afterward.
12	[…] "The […] Contrarian is often frustrating and rarely agrees with me. Nonetheless, he does not […] pursue aims that are actively dangerous to London, and in that he is unlike some other individuals we might be unwise enough to add to our number […]
16	"No one has more right to sit on this board than Furnace […] It is her workers who lay the track; she herself has been known to go to the blast sites when new land is being cleared. We cannot do without her perspective, and we should not try."
23, 28	"No," says Sinning Jenny. "His views are refreshing, and he knows more about the land we're passing through than almost anyone else here."
24	"I find his presence very entertaining," says Sinning Jenny. "I'd be very sorry if there were no reason for him to come out from Balmoral." Heavens. Has she struck up an affair with September? That probably isn't what she means.
100, 120 - 170	"Have you forgotten that this station will be standing in much less protected land than the centre of London?" […] "Such large windows are a vulnerability, while the unlined cellars will positively invite burrowing monsters into the building."
105	"Finally, something robustly built," remarks Jenny. "But it does rather dare our enemies to attack us immediately."
115	"It is certainly provocative," Jenny remarks. "If that is your intention. I'd be afraid of attracting the wrong sort of attention."
181 - 187	"No, I don't think this plan works," Jenny says, frowning. "The location's no good. We must do this right, if we intend to do it."
205	"Will it weigh us down?" asks Sinning Jenny. "I know that manoeuvring a train is not the key question, precisely, but we might not want to encumber the train too much, if it is often under attack."
210	"An expensive indulgence that will not earn back the investment," […] Londoners […] will not pay for this. […] waste of company resources that might be spent better on other improvements and on the wellbeing of the workers."
220	"This is a half-measure," says Sinning Jenny. "We could do better."
230	"I consider this ill-advised," says Sinning Jenny. "I admire Furnace's motives, but has she considered what the voting will be like?"
240 - 280, 931	Sinning Jenny disagrees. It sounds as though she expects everyone else to give up arguing for the plan […] the rather final air of someone accustomed to directing the Parlour of Virtue and managing her schools and giving directions to younger nuns.
300 - 310	Jenny listens to the proposals being read out with a frown. "Does anyone mean to enforce these statements? If not, it is a waste of time to vote on them."
320	Sinning Jenny shakes her head in disapproval
400	"When the Railway is complete, a successful line to Hell is established and has demonstrated continued usage to my satisfaction, that will be the time to talk about Dividends," […] Several other board members object that that might be the work of years.
500	"There are things in Parabola that would be extremely dangerous to disturb," says Sinning Jenny. "Even an expert Silverer can't guarantee the outcome, and we would be running this risk twice a day."
510	"Too great a concession to the Devils," she says. "We would not want to rely on them unduly."
520 - 523, 525 - 529	"Both bad and dangerous," says Sinning Jenny. "There are many other ways we could go about the matter."
610	Sinning Jenny refuses. "The Viscountess is prone to think that London's worst problems are the misbehaviour of Urchins and matters that happen in our dreams. There's a great deal that needs attention on this side of the mirror."`
620	"The work of the Mayor is very demanding," says Sinning Jenny, allowing everyone to remember that she was first to hold the position. "Anyone who hopes to thrive will need connections and a strong understanding of how the game is played."
700, 720, 800, 850	"Not the sort of power we ought to support," remarks Jenny firmly.
710	"I wonder whether it's the best place for September," says Jenny slowly. "Or whether there are other things that might require his talents more."
905, 910	"I don't think we ought to make a thing of this," remarks Jenny. "If they wish to overwork themselves, they should do so on their own time. Or step down."
932	"This sounds rather like a distraction from more serious worker concerns," Jenny says. "Perhaps the Union could do with better leadership."
933 - 934	"This sounds rather like a distraction meant to get the Tracklayers back to work," Jenny says. "Perhaps the Union could do with better leadership."
940	Jenny inquires about the charitable groups the GHR would be helping. "Perhaps it's someone I would know?" she notes. Then she launches into an embarrassing interrogation of the details and specifics of the proposal.
1000 - 1020	[…] "One thing concerns me. This is a creature that […] has lived on Aescwine Hill for a good portion of its life. What has it been doing there? […] And are those scorpions in the hillside its brood? I think we should know more before we decide."
1100, 1110	Sinning Jenny shakes her head. "I cannot condone violence against something which is not an enemy of mine and has never done me an ounce of harm." Her smile is apologetic, her conviction is not.
1200	Sinning Jenny shakes her head. "There's a time to leave people alone to make their own way."

• Persuasive is increasing…

Redirects to: Debating Matters of Business with the Board